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The link between psychedelic tryptamines and phenethyl amines is surely one of the more significant leads we have on a pharmacological treatment for VS (if that's even wise).

We can't escape the fact that the more about psychedelic tryptamines/phenethylamines science uncovers, the more we'd know about VS.

Vero, I put it to you that a medical doctor who's incapable of looking at psychedelic tryptamines/phenethylamines dispassionately (i.e. someone who is incapable of scientific reasoning) is not the kind of "medical doctor" we'd benefit from attracting. Why? simply because this person would be working with a blind fold on.

but hey, I actually agree about being low key and tasteful about this, so how about this

I could make sure that we only use very esoteric terminology to talk about this kind of stuff. Especially in the titles but also in the body of the post. I'll remind people/I could even PM back their posts to them with common names changed to Latin, drug names changed to an obscure chem name etc.

francois/21st said that this forum is becoming a psychonaut/junky forum and I find his post offensive. It's completely wrong on so many levels, honestly  

one thing that seems to come up every time the "inappropriateness" of the psychedelic-VS link is that the people carrying out the attacks seem to have no valid concept of these specific grouping of chemicals which occur throughout nature, they occur in animals and humans (really look it up), they are not drugs of abuse, they are specifically not drugs of abuse in the way alcohol and xanax etc can be used to remain intoxicated for as long as your supply last, the psychedelics that relate to VS are self limiting in the sense that one must wait ~1 week between doses for the strange tolerance they induce to dissipate. In fact it is quite difficult to consume enough of these type of psychedelic 1-2 days after the drug's effects wearing off. It's very atypical "tolerance" when compared to tolerance to alcohol or xanax for those reasons. This is a fool proof anti abuse defence, not that they are the kind of thing people are driven to repeat in rapid fire anyway. Really, to consider it along side the "illegal drugs of abuse" is completely incorrect. Infact, the notion of using them for the kind of recreational abuse afforded by drugs of abuse and escape (alcohol, anti-deps, benzo, speed etc etc ) is almost completely created by the inaccurate lumping of these drugs into the [i]"bad drugs" category anyway because very few would take these things expecting light entertainment if they were't tricked into thinking they were another drug to do when your bored.

but that's not meant to be advertisement for psychedelics, it just meant to get people to see that they might be making a problem where there isn't one.

lets be honest, I am one of the people most often attacked for what I have to say about these chemicals but if you go back through any of my post about this topic you'l see I am, always careful never to be specific about dosing or even anything to do with the drugs effect other than the increased VS, I don't think anything in my post on this subject would make your doctor think badly of anyone. In fact this brings us back to the main point of this post which is that most people who complain about my embarrassing? posts base their complaints on misconceptions at best. I mean they act like I am talking about heroin yet strangely it's some how OK to recommend harder drugs than heroin to reduce your ability to see VS.

Strange because I keep getting these mental images infused in a lot of the "anti-psychedelic-VS" posts depicting me as some kind of hippy, yet no one ever seen me in real life and all description of my life style and circumstances are not very hippy? I don't think so anyway and I have said so many times (isn't that what counts? LOL why would I lie about that?) ...so I get the yuck sense that all this crap is not only pharmacologically baseless but also cultural.

No vero it's definitely not a silly snarky comment. Honestly, I have not written anything directed at you that was either silly or snarky or meant to be some kind of attack.

vero I was replying directly to you're earlier post where you said something like "wouldn't that make things easier" in regards to suppression certain facts about VS and psychedelic drugs. Does that make sense now? I was trying to say that the relationship between human beings is much more complicated and is very real, that the psychedelic drugs your worried about being associated with are actually floating around in your blood stream right now. They are and have always been a natural part of your phsyiology. Seriously vero, you and everyone else has DMT (the most potent psychedelic known to man!) existing naturally in detectable levels within your body. There is of course lots of controversy surrounding why it there but the fact remains that the most potent psychedelic known to science ours naturally in the human being.

See what I mean now? it's not silly or snarky at all, it's very very relevant and completely valid. It also provides a very good reason for why we must be sure to never tell nature or science what it is, no! we must endeavour to let nature tell us what it is e.g. we can only learn the truth about something by listening to it and studying it etc. We cannot expect to learn the truth about something by pretending we know how everything about how it should-be and disregarding things that don't fir into what we insist it should be. Now that sounds like obvious and common sense when you see it typed up bt common sense doesn't actually come naturally so I wrote out the how damn paragraph LOL because I think we can all be guilty of forgetting it every now and then, especially in regards to topics we are passionate about.

NOTHING I HAVE WRITTEN IN THIS THREAD IS MEANT IN A SILLY SNARKY, NASTY, NON-GENUINE WAY. NOTHING I HAVE WRITTEN HERE IS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANYONE FEEL BAD OR ANGRY WITH ME. THAT'S A FACT AND IT'S ALL THERE IN WRITING FOR ANYONE TO CONFIRM

why does this have to be a fight? lets not let it become a fight, please I don't want to fight, I just want to work hard with all the other members of this forum to find out every thing there is to find out about VS. Really, that's all I want to do, I don't want to show-up/out-do anyone up and big note, I want to share everything I have learnt and ever will learn about VS with the forum. I promise that's all there is to my motivation/intention not only do I promise these things, I am pretty sure I have proven this for anyone to see by spending countless hours working on posts that document every that I have come to understand about VS. In the vast majority of these threads I am very careful not to stray from my most basic intent described above i.e. for me it's all about sharing and learning and being friendly and supportive to other members. I don't care if that sounds dumb or like a lie, it's what I endeavour to be. Sure I will defend my self from time to time but hopefully that's gonna be a thing of the past because everyone's going to be nice from now on

Really, that's all I want to be and if I you or anyone ever becomes furious with what I have written, please just ask me to clarify because so often it happens that people completely misconstrue my posts and my intention. I promise I will explain what I actually do want to say and that it's only ever posted in the spirit I just outlined.