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Jonny4Life	What do you believe caused your VS?		Lead	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 180 01/17/08 4:15 PM	Remove this ad I've been curious about what it is that we all have in common. There must be something that connects us all (other than the fact that we suffer from VS). If you had to blame your VS on just one thing, what would it be? Mine would have to be spending too much time in front of VDUs (especially the last few years whilst i've been out of work). I'm tempted to add one more thing but for the sake of the thread i won't. P.S. sorry if this has been done to death.
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ksomething		#1	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 01/17/08 4:38 PM	"I'm tempted to add one more thing but for the sake of the thread i won't." Now you have made us curious, tell it in another thread!
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Jonny4Life		#2	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 180 01/17/08 5:17 PM	Haha, hey ksomething. Don't worry, it's nothing of great interest. It's Just that i didn't want to mention it because i want this thread to be about ONE thing that a person believes caused their VS. Peace.
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IanKC		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2955 01/17/08 5:25 PM Administrator	I have no clue what caused it. Sure, too much time in front of computer screens is an easy answer but I don't buy it. Could be emotional stress, it started around a difficult time in my life when my father had recently passed away. But after 11 years I don't really much care what triggered it, as it appears the actual "starting point" or reason for each person is dramatically different. I just want to figure out how this condition works and how we can fix it. http://www.visualsnow.com \| Lots of information on Visual Snow http://www.iancasey.com \| My blog
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pocanut		#4	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 652 01/17/08 5:39 PM	i can be quite a worrier and anxious, not to the point were i have had to take meds or anything but i'd say stress etc. seems to be a common mention on here. I had a period of a year up to this starting where i was more stressed than the normal person..
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juliedeeinthesnow		#5	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 397 01/18/08 10:59 AM	My vs happened after I had a series of neurologic attacks that lasted 7-9 days each and I was sick for about a year with the condition. The vs was listed in the neurologist note as "grainy vision" by the time of the second attack. The first attack was attributed to dehydration and stress. The MRI was abnormal. The neurologic diagnosis is complicated migraine.
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starrant		#6	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1872 01/18/08 11:29 AM	If spending too much time in front of a computer screen or VDU caused visual snow, everyone would have visual snow. There would be commercials advertising the latest cures. Docs wouldn't look at you funny. You would have half marathons organized to raise money for visual snow research. Visual snow would be as well known as cancer and heart disease and diabetes. Honestly here is my take on visual snow which I have said before: The root, root cause is genetics. Our visual network is genetically vulnerable to permanent disruption in the visual cortex. I was born with perfect vision. For 17 years, I had absolutely perfect vision. For 17 years, if you asked me what I saw in pitch black, I would have said black. Pure, non-light black. God that would be beautfiul... Then suddenly, something happened to me 10 years ago to change everything for me forever (or most likely till I die - I guess there is always the possiblity I could be cured). Something happened, which to this day, hasn't been figured out yet. I honestly have no true idea what happened in my visual cortex 10 years ago, but something happened. For me, the best guess is a migraine aura attack, as I took and have taken 0 illegal drugs in my entire life. Now some people have severe migraine aura attacks every week, and guess what? Perfect, crystal clear, motionless vision in between these attacks that would send our genetically wussy visual cortexes screaming in agony like cowards. People smoke LSD like every day. And guess what? Many of these LSD, crack, and pot heads have crystal clear, motionless vision in between drug trips. I haven't been on the HPPD forum in so long, but I have read countless stories on how people got HPPD because someone said to them, dude I do LSD every day, and I am totally fine in between trips! Your vision returns to normal after a trip, dude. So we are the unlucky ones with shitty visual cortex genetics. We could have had shitty blood and bone genetics and been born with bone cancer as a child, but hey, this is our burden to bear in this lifetime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqTF7K9zJLw&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tu7q2YTuR8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95mwIi8lVHQ&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJHEoq7dqy8&mode=related&search Some movies on my avatar if you are curious.
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ksomething		#7	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 01/18/08 11:38 AM	Although environmental factors also play a role (a substantial proportion of subjects report stress preceding the onset of at least one episode of persistent aura), starrant's position is (according to my opinion) very much in in accordance with what is currently known about the causes of persistent vs.
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pieteranoniem		#8	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 48 01/18/08 1:57 PM	A drugs combination of amphetamine and 2c-b. Next day i wake up, all static!
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Jonny4Life		#9	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 180 01/18/08 2:38 PM	starrant wrote: If spending too much time in front of a computer screen or VDU caused visual snow, everyone would have visual snow. There would be commercials advertising the latest cures. Docs wouldn't look at you funny. You would have half marathons organized to raise money for visual snow research. Visual snow would be as well known as cancer and heart disease and diabetes. Honestly here is my take on visual snow which I have said before: The root, root cause is genetics. Our visual network is genetically vulnerable to permanent disruption in the visual cortex. I was born with perfect vision. For 17 years, I had absolutely perfect vision. For 17 years, if you asked me what I saw in pitch black, I would have said black. Pure, non-light black. God that would be beautfiul... Then suddenly, something happened to me 10 years ago to change everything for me forever (or most likely till I die - I guess there is always the possiblity I could be cured). Something happened, which to this day, hasn't been figured out yet. I honestly have no true idea what happened in my visual cortex 10 years ago, but something happened. For me, the best guess is a migraine aura attack, as I took and have taken 0 illegal drugs in my entire life. Now some people have severe migraine aura attacks every week, and guess what? Perfect, crystal clear, motionless vision in between these attacks that would send our genetically wussy visual cortexes screaming in agony like cowards. People smoke LSD like every day. And guess what? Many of these LSD, crack, and pot heads have crystal clear, motionless vision in between drug trips. I haven't been on the HPPD forum in so long, but I have read countless stories on how people got HPPD because someone said to them, dude I do LSD every day, and I am totally fine in between trips! Your vision returns to normal after a trip, dude. So we are the unlucky ones with shitty visual cortex genetics. We could have had shitty blood and bone genetics and been born with bone cancer as a child, but hey, this is our burden to bear in this lifetime. Interesting. I guess it could be genetic or a weakness, brought about by malnutrition, that left us vunerable to VS. Eating well is something i've never been good at and it's something i considered when i first noticed my eye floaters. I've changed all that now but still i eat my fair share of junk, just not everyday now. I'm also a worrier, like pocanut, and even more so before i got my VS. I would say it had been a long period of stress that has only got worse now that i have VS, and many other unrelated things to worry about. This was the other thing i was gonna mention and probably equal with VDU abuse, in terms of what i think caused my VS. Starrant, did you ever suffer from stress before you got your VS or did it just come out of the blue?
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Jonny4Life		#10	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 180 01/18/08 2:41 PM	Remove this ad pieteranoniem wrote: A drugs combination of amphetamine and 2c-b. Next day i wake up, all static! Wow, just like that. How long ago was that? Was it a good experience? Boogles the mind to think that you could take a drug, have a great time and then wake up with VS
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janey		#11	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 01/18/08 3:11 PM	Hmmmm....there is a big drugs link which leads me to believe toxicity (is that a word???) is a significant factor. I was on drugs when I got all my symptoms.....antibiotics and antivirals....a combination of three.
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xFoxxxx		#12	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 187 01/18/08 3:52 PM	There are seven posible explenations for the thing that can cause the actual noise. - The sensor ( eye / ear ) is unable to recieve a high quality feed due to a physical problem. - The sensor ( eye / ear ) has a changed preception of what the actual incoming data consists of, thus sending a false impulse to the brain. - The impulse is interupted or changed during the transport from the optic nerve to the brain, due to the interuption or transistion the data is damaged or missing. - The brain doesn't correctly process the impulse given by the sensor, and is thus disorted. - The brain is unable to filter un-needed data out of the visual image. - The brain or an outer influence induces ( adds ) the noise signal to given impulses. - The brain sends out impulses with noise induced, objects return impulses with noise. Thats what i could think off. I, myself was born with Visual snow, thus its most probaly inheritable. The fact that alot of people get it on later stages of life ( especially in stages where one is more stressfull or weaker ) is that the genetics or the condition that causes noise is most probaly recessive until the event of the condition or genetic changing to a dominant role. The increased stress or weakness could cause a higher neurotic activity thus possibly giving the condition a better envoriment to become dominant. Another fact is that alot of the sympthoms are similair to HPPD, and some symtops can even be experienced using drugs ( although i don't use any ). This would state that these visual disturbances can be caused by wrong levels of toxins or hormones, which drugs could induce only temporarely to one. Feelings that one's body is not in connection with one's mind anymore can be because of these physical problems interfering with the psychical process. These wrong levels of hormone's may even cause changed "strange" preception of the world. Although all this is based off speculation.
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janey		#13	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 01/18/08 4:27 PM	Very good xfoxxx I agree
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pocanut		#14	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 652 01/18/08 4:32 PM	i think the hormonal thing is a good argument. i am hormonal ALL of the time..
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janey		#15	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 01/18/08 5:10 PM	Hi pocanut..... what makes you believe that you are hormonal ALL the time? Im curious?
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pocanut		#16	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 652 01/18/08 6:12 PM	janey, just have a lot of mood swings thats all, up, down, angry, happy, etc.. and i change very quickly and i really don't care who i'm with, if thats my mood everyone knows it. makes me think i am hormonal could be wrong of course.. i remember being like it when i had my last ovarian cyst..
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janey		#17	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 01/19/08 12:01 PM	yes Im a bit like that .....its horrible, I feel like I have no control over my moods sometimes. For example it is easy to understand why you would be in a bad mood if you had had just lost £50 but I am sometimes in a fowl mood and I havent a clue why. Also the PMA definately get worse before a period...especially the flashing lights.
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juliedeeinthesnow		#18	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 397 01/19/08 3:51 PM	This is an interesting discussion. I believe that there is a genetic predisposition that may be recessive (or we'd see it a lot more in our families and friends), and this sets the stage. I believe that the condition can be tripped by hormones but I'm not sure just hormones will lock it in as a permanent condition, as hormones fluctuate and thus we should see a lot more fluctuation in the condition than we really do (the condition seems fairly permanent and doesn't vanish from day to day), and wouldn't there be a lot more people with the condition? I believe in most cases the condition has nothing to do with the eye, because 1) it usually effects us in both eyes and I assume pretty equally in both and 2) if there was a problem with our optic nerves then certain quarters or halves of our visual field would be effected, and where that area was would help them identify which part of the nerve (parts of it cross over right to left and parts don't) has been damaged--discreet sections of peoples vision having snow or not having snow is not being described. So I assume there's a problem in the back of our brain where vision gets processed. I believe the hallucinogens are important--they are like an intense experiment that may have the mechanisms of action for the cause of visual snow, and the use of them can be recorded more accurately. I believe HPPD is a special case of visual snow and not necessarily separate or independent of vs. The hallucinogens may tell which areas of the brain are creating the path of risk for us--LSD acts on very specific areas low in the brain--perhaps exposure to LSD burns a pathway of vulnerability in the brain, as do possibly other hallucinogens. LSD is just extremely potent. Others may just be born with the vulnerability--just add stress at the right time or in the presence of the right hormones or add a little oxygen deprivation or a migraine event and there you go...one thing, though, most of us talk about a pretty sudden or marked onset of the vs--did anyone ever have a gradual onset of the vs over time?
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Jonny4Life		#19	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 180 01/19/08 8:49 PM	I'm about to jump into bed but i want to add something to Julie's suggestion that it's not an eye problem but rather a problem with the brain. I don't know if anyone has ever played Guitar hero but it's an addictive game that involves hitting coloured buttons on a guitar that correspond with the coloured buttons that stream vertically on the TV. Now, it streams pretty quick and after half an hours play it can alter my VS, as in my VS moves vertically as if it's raining. It's a temporary effect that goes away after 5 minutes or so but it backs up what Julie was saying. The game also warps your vision for a few seconds if you stare at an object right after playing a music track, but this is normal and happens to anyone who plays (scared the crap out of my sister when she first noticed it!) Here's an example of the game incase i didn't describe very well (likely): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueXmJDbbvU Night all
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SopuliSusie		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1496 01/20/08 12:19 PM Administrator	Remove this ad I think the hormone link would be the same as it is in migraine. There are decades of research tying hormone fluctuations to migraine in women. The worsening some of us get, is probably due to the same mechanism. The pattern of symptoms indicate the source of the trouble is in the brain. Plus the very thorough testing most of us have been through indicate the eyes are perfectly fine. As far as where in the brain? Who knows. Sensory processing is complicated. There's some interesting research now on tinnitus, which may be a similar mechanism to the cause of visual snow. Quite a few of us also have constant tinnitus. I think its definitely the case that some people have a pre-existing vulnerability to developing this crap. If there is a genetic aspect, I bet its complicated. No one in my family has what I have for persistent visual symptoms, but wacky migraine activity is rampant. No one has managed to end up with these symptoms with hallucinogen use either (which by the way is a family joke, "Ha ha, your mom and I do the drugs and you end up with the symptoms!"). My issues are without a doubt, migraine activity, and involve most of my senses. I have a long history of prolonged auras. I'm not sure what made this one stick, but it could be 1) stress from hospitalization as it was happening, 2) that damned spinal headache I got from the lumbar puncture a few days into it, 3) I got slammed with CFS at the exact same time, which was virally-induced, 4) the massive stress I was under that made me vulnerable to the crap virus and the crap CFS, which interacted with the crap autonomic problems I've always had. I have no idea. I had a 2 month long persistent aura a number of years ago, and in the middle of it I was hospitalized, operated on, put on tons of drugs, and completely freaked out over the realization that I'd been having dozens of near death experiences for years but didn't know that's what they were. But that persistent aura went away. I had another one during which I had all kinds of wacky issues, but it went away after a while also. I still think this one will go away at some point. I do not think there is permanent damage. I've had a few minutes with no symptoms, so I know there is not permanent damage. So many new papers were published last year on PMA. I hope the rate keeps up this year. It would be something to look forward to. Need to cheer yourself up? Watch the Kitty Cat Dance!
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