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ksomething	Worsening of vs intensity after awakening from sleep		Lead	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 11/18/07 7:46 AM	Remove this ad http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/e27265/e42285/e52203/e52341/index_en.html I have collected by now reports from 4 subjects, but there are probably more (not yet completely assessed). If you have similar experiences, please post them here. In the webpage above, I have detailed my attempt of explanation of this phenomenon.
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janey		#1	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 11/18/07 7:59 AM	On waking I have many strange visuals. Not only over the past year since the problem became more severe but also I recall them from the past. Presently every morning on waking I see a collective area of dense black snow which forms a circle, it is quite a large area, I would say it covers 10cm diameter on the ceiling. Once I get up it disappears. I remember from the past many times, waking up and thinking there was a spider right above my eyes. I waved my hands about frantically to get rid of the spider, but of course there was nothing there. I know better now, I know my eyes are playing tricks on me. I also see paterns quite often on waking. long S's continue to wriggle down the wall, and I have seen moving black blobs of nothing which appear to rain down the wall like enlarged rain drops but black. Some times I see just black dots moving in a rainlike fashion down the wall. Ive not seen these recently. janey
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xFoxxxx		#2	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 187 11/18/07 8:00 AM	For me the first 15-30 minutes after i wake up the VS is mutch more intense / thick. Also i might add, durning this period the VS looks somewhat more like a seperate layer than the regular VS which acts like a cloak on every object you look at, probaly by the increased thickness. Last Edited By: xFoxxxx 11/18/07 8:07 AM. Edited 1 time.
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Specialist		#3	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 36 11/18/07 8:47 AM	I know that phenomenon very well: Nearly every morning when I wake up my vision is quite coarse-grained and I am overly sensitive to light. This improves within about a minute after getting up. I have had this for at least ten years, probably even longer. One very strange experience I had after awakening in the middle of the night last Wednesday was that when I looked at my (analog) watch the image was rotated by 180°. I was aware that the position of the hands was nonsense (and the watch displaying an incorrect time was also not an option as it is radio-controlled and I just inserted a new battery a few days ago) as I knew that it must have been night and not late morning (what the position of the digits suggested)... It was completely dark in the room, so I only saw the illuminated hands of my watch. After turning the light on my vision immediately switched back into non-rotated mode and I realized that what I saw in the dark was a rotated image of the digits. Last Edited By: Specialist 11/18/07 1:35 PM. Edited 1 time.
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ksomething		#4	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 11/18/07 9:27 AM	"One very strange experience..." = inverted vision, a variety of illusory rotation, which can occur as transitory migraine aura symptom (see http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/e27265/e26585/e48971/e49073/index_en.html )
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viper123456		#5	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 871 11/18/07 9:40 AM	this is pretty common for me. getting up and active gets the morning vs reduced within about 5 minutes. must be a blood pressure thing. this is definitely metabolic.
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SopuliSusie		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1496 11/18/07 1:23 PM Administrator	I have the same thing, and I think mine is definitely blood pressure related. For me, it could just be a worsening of vision from the blood pressure (more blurriness, graying out a bit), that makes the VS and such seem worse. The VS and such could also actually be worse. The blood pressure stuff definitely pre-dates the VS/PMA. Need to cheer yourself up? Watch the Kitty Cat Dance!
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ChelleWMCN		#7	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 428 11/18/07 4:07 PM	Remove this ad What if the increase in density is not from blood pressure, but from lack of visual stimulation? Then, the "cure" theory of being blindfolded for an extended period to eliminate visual stimuli would not be beneficial. Right?
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ksomething		#8	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 11/18/07 6:16 PM	Sensory deprivation or low blood pressure have been suggested by users of the Yuku forum Visual snow or static as alternative explanations for the transitory worsening of intensity of persistent aura symptoms after awakening. However, both hypotheses are contradicted by two pieces of clinical evidence. Firstly, there is anecdotal evidence that visual rest may result in an improvement rather than worsening of the intensity of persistent aura symptoms (D.C. Haas, Email to Klaus Podoll, March 23, 2006). Secondly, the intuitive assumption that there is a low blood pressure after awakening is wrong. Blood pressure has a diurnal pattern, falling during the night and rising during the early morning hours prior to awakening. http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/e27265/e42285/e52203/e52341/index_en.html
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ksomething		#9	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 5010 11/18/07 6:33 PM	Janey, ""On waking I have many strange visuals. Not only over the past year since the problem became more severe but also I recall them from the past. Presently every morning on waking I see a collective area of dense black snow which forms a circle, it is quite a large area, I would say it covers 10 cm diameter on the ceiling. Once I get up it disappears." can you make a picture of this?
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SopuliSusie		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1496 11/18/07 7:53 PM Administrator	Someone should tell my blood pressure that it is supposed to have a diurnal pattern. My blood pressure is not very cooperative with the rest of me. I tend to only get the worse visuals if I sit up quickly or jump out of bed- quick positional changes tend to be followed by giant BP drops for me. Normally, I have to be awake lying down for a while, then slowly prop myself up with pillows, and then slowly get up. Otherwise, I get into trouble. Stupid blood pressure. But if I sleep in really late on the weekend, I can usually get up quickly without issues. The visual rest that I have found helpful isn't keeping my eyes closed, it is being in a very low-stimulus semi-darkened room. I'm awake and using my eyes, but I'm not looking at tons of stuff. Of course, I'm usually only doing that if I have an actual migraine, and maybe the visuals are better because the migraine is better. Need to cheer yourself up? Watch the Kitty Cat Dance!
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JFleming		#11	[url]	[-]
Newbie Posts: 19 11/19/07 6:32 AM	Definitely much worse in the mornings for the first 10-15 minutes for me too.
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janey		#12	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 1008 11/19/07 3:51 PM	I keep meaning to make pictures of my visuals....I promise to do this very soon
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Sarah A		#13	[url]	[-]
Regular Visitor Posts: 229 11/19/07 6:51 PM	I actually have better vision in the morning. Especially when I'm in a "bad episode" (i.e. a period of weeks where my vision is particularly poor and I get dizzy and experience DR a lot). I wake up feeling ok with just regular VS and I walk on pins and needles all day trying not to upset the balance and make my vision worse. I try to maintain a low stress level, eat when I need to, etc. If I don't my VS intensifies. So for me, it's generally a good in the morning worse in the evening pattern.
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ohCRICKETS		#14	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 383 11/19/07 7:37 PM	Remove this ad For me its usually always worse in the morning. The whole having clear, lucid dreams while asleep and DR and VS when I wake up. Its like a new shock every day. Coffee sometimes helps, or sometimes makes everything worse. Its hit and miss. Eins - Hier kommt die Sonne Zwei - Hier kommt die Sonne Drei - Sie ist der hellste Stern von allen Vier - Und wird nie vom Himmel fallen Fünf - Hier kommt die Sonne Sechs - Hier kommt die Sonne Sieben - Sie ist der hellste Stern von allen Acht, Neun - Hier kommt die Sonne
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